In his acclaimed book on the creation of modern Australia, Fatal Shore, Robert Hughes noted that this nation was founded as a dumping ground for criminals whom the motherland ejected nevertheless rapidly turned into one of the most law-abiding nations on earth. Until recently, the GoPass was a flash pass no tagging required. Whats the worst that can happen with open access? This logic does not work the same way for people living in the retail-rich neighborhoods of New York, London, Paris, etc, where people are within walking distance of many of their destinations. @Sassy: Japan has a norm of subsidized commuting costs (mostly employer subsidized, but the amount of government subsidy increases as income increases since it comes as a tax benefit), and while its cool that people can and do commute via Shinkansen from exurbs over 100km from the city center, I dont think that is behavior the government should promote.. I would have no hesitation in recommending them to anyone I know who was looking for legal representation in any matter. And incidentally I totally reject your repeated assertion that low fares, or flat fares, to the outer zones of big cities, encourages sprawl, because it does the opposite (it will encourage TOD around the stations) and is much more likely to entice them out of their cars. Passed a law to forbid one penny of government money going toward Eurostar or HS1 (part of the reason it took 12 years after Eurostar began, and turned into one of the textbook cases of PPP/PFI gone wrong). And you can go even lower with barrier-free systems like Germany's, FYI, I just came across this report (June 2021) on the fare crisis in the UK, as they come out of pandemic. Rich people ride commuter rail, theyre not policed. A fully Regulation Authority, Software Retrieved 2013-09-21. If you require advice you should contact a solicitor. Yeah, this makes sense. The panhandlers, subway dancers, public urinators, and worse are what drives people away from transit. So Caltrain is transitioning the GoPass to require tagging on and off (Caltrain uses ~12.5-mile fixed fare zones as a super chunky proxy for more equitable true distance-based fares) which will for the first time yield a cornucopia of data about GoPass use (station pairs, time of day, day of week, how often and by which employees of which program participants, etc.). Your everyone else is the minority, and just as with your earlier wrong assumption, they might be tempted by a monthly pass but under your scheme there wouldnt be any point. BSB was my first choice when I faced the likelihood of prosecution after I failed to show a valid bus ticket when travelling in Central London. How is this intuitive at all? For more precise recording, there are teams of inspectors checking every ticket, and in the case of pass holders they ask from where to where the trip goes. All sorts use the Paris Metro and even with its monthly card, is more expensive than either of those cities. Maybe we are cognitively disadvantaged in the West compared to East Asians, but I would instead argue that it is more likely that with modern technology varying fares dynamically by distance is very straightforward (with 1990s technology) and westerners would adapt very quickly. This is how the Taipei busses work for example. (England) Hi, I got a fare evasion summoning me to court, and Id like to know if theres a possible out of court settlement option from tfl as Im not trying to stain my record. These costs should therefore be understood as hidden taxes: they fall disproportionately on commuters and on the public purse, and benefit employers. [You double-posted; I deleted the shorter version.]. Unfortunately, the problem of indifference to monthlies on urban rail is common around the Anglosphere. The consequences for me as regards my right to work in the UK were extremely high, and so this situation was cause for lots of stress. Is it a shorter trip? Find out about prosecutions, court proceedings and how to get help with your case. Yeah, better than they used to be, but still expensive and some conditional travel. This is less of an issue on Commuter systems where its mostly the trains that get crush loaded, but revenue protection is even more important for them as fare levels are higher. I was facedwith the prospect of receiving a hefty fine and a criminal record. Also because as long as you are not going to the big London Stations once you get in to the evenings and weekends there is a big chance those stations gates will be open as they become unstaffed. But speaking of this year begins the process of contracting out some RER lines to private management, seemingly driven by right-winger Valerie Pecresse. Shrinkage happens. It is the worst performing train operator of the lot. The Wiki section on France is truly pathetic (not worth publishing or reporting but I am sure it was): A 2009 study found that the share of immigrants in the population has no significant impact on crime rates once immigrants economic circumstances are controlled for, while finding that unemployed immigrants tend to commit more crimes than unemployed non-immigrants.[83] A study by sociologist Farhad Khosrokhavar, director of studies at the EHESS, found that Muslims, mostly from North African origin, are becoming the most numerous group in [French prisons].[84][85] His work has been criticized for taking into account only 160 prisoners in 4 prisons, all close to northern Paris where most immigrants live. You are thinking of financial performance rather than transit performance. Iwould highly recommend BSB Solicitors to anyone in the future. Another data shows, as of 2017-2018, among people using elderly traveler subsidy across all the public transit system in Hong Kong, only 0.11%, or 144 people, are actually abusing it. Its one of these things that on some level anyone can end up doing technically I did it once in grad school, when I brought in a tray of leftover cookies after a talk intending to take them back to Columbia, and someone on the train offered me $1 for 3 of them and I said yes. Seattle uses a third way of incentivizing monthlies, in addition to low-income fare discounts and relatively affordable monthly passes; Washington States Commute Trip Reduction law incentivizes large employers (>100 people) to reduce driving alone rates, and buying monthly passes for employees and making them available for little to no charge is a fairly common strategy to do so. I will try to help with this. I am an experienced litigation solicitor specialising in pragmatic risk management. Ill admit my attitude is very conditioned by direct experience. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. 70% of department 77 Seine-et-Marne) and has huge forests and national parks (eg. 3) Is evasion hard (i.e. Two years ago, BART announced that it would supplement its fare barriers with proof-of-payment inspections, done by armed cops, and lied to the public about the prevalence of such a belts-and-suspenders system. To you and others, it seems to be narrowly econometric efficiency and my experience is that it is anathema to passenger experience or satisfaction, and not least to the ease and functionality of transit in a big city. The MTA has also mentioned a higher figure, $300 million; I do not know if the higher figure includes just urban transit or also commuter rail, where conductors routinely miss inspections, giving people free rides. https://www.traveller.com.au/traveller-letters-campari-spritz-is-far-superior-to-aperol-spritz-h1jm5q And the chances of being killed by police will be even lower. No surprise it is one of things that makes some vote for Corbyn/Labour (re-nationalise the railways). But lets not pretend were talking about the best means of revenue collection. I dont think Aaron was saying he agreed with this position. You focus on a small permanent presence where habitual evasion is common, and then focus your roaming enforcement on areas with a high CASUAL risk., which is why (in London) youll see periodic HIGHLY VISIBLE ticket check sweeps at big stations, or on services like the DLR or high-risk bus routes where there are a large number of POTENTIAL casual evaders. This one said the writer was exaggerating the cost, and that there were many choices to get the price down a lot. Bourgeois standards of behavior is what allows public spaces of all sorts to function, whether it be transit, parks, plazas, or beaches. But from a nation that does allows compilation of such statistics: A report by Statistics Denmark released in December 2015 found that 83% of crimes are committed by individuals of Danish origin (88% of the total population), 14% by individuals of non-Western descent and 3% by those of non-Danish Western descent. Its not about catching habitual offenders. But thats Fare Evasion 201. Heres a whinge about train costs in the UK, from the weekend travel letters section (just so Alon doesnt think Im making this stuff up). Do you think the econometric, austerity-minded policies w.r.t. Typical nit-picking scrooges.) They A better method is to ensure most passengers have prepaid already, by offering generous monthly discounts. Also, one of the 5 key points of the Williams review into their rail system: a new commercial model: Williams argues the current franchising model has had its day and is holding the sector back, stifling collaboration, preventing the railway from operating as a cohesive network and encouraging train operators to prioritise narrow commercial interest over passengers. Because theyre a THEM, not an US., ASIDE: This is why gate alarms are A TERRIBLE IDEA unless youre going to ALWAYS staff those gates. Fare evasion rate on Hong Kongs open, non-gated, LRT system in year 2002-2005 was said to be only 0.4%, but there doesnt seems to be any more updated data. WebFare evasion is a criminal offence and you may be prosecuted. N.A (April 2017), Stay up to date with Criminal Law with BSB Solicitors, BSB solicitors, 2 John Street, I guess there could be some aspiration to greatness. On similar basis Greater Tokyo is 2,788/km2 which is still quite dense compared to US cities or urbanised areas. A sizable proportion of riders who do not pay would just stop riding altogether, for one. It also wants to improve efficiency in order to procure a better rail service for Ile-de-France residents without increasing operating costs. In the summer, Governor Cuomo announced a new initiative to hire 500 cops to patrol the subway. Paris has one-way faregates, so half the exit space is unusable during (one-way) busy times, and the exit gates are hard to open and easy to close in order to discourage fare dodging. And you DO want the police involved., Partly this to protect staff but ALSO because non-economic habituals have a higher rate than normal of OTHER shit theyre already wanted for. policy. https://www.transitlink.com.sg/PSdetail.aspx?ty=art&Id=76, https://www.sbstransit.com.sg/transport/trpt_fares_concession.aspx. And Id also like to note if anyone here knows of any similar cases like this, and what was the outcome. Based on a five-day work week, the average month has between 22 and 23 work days. Its not very expensive at all! Id say make the one-way $5 now in one big yank, removing the faregates at the same time as a PR move. Hello there and thank you for choosing to use our service. Likewise, even though the Helsinki Metro is profitable, it works in conjunction with buses, trams, and commuter trains that are not, its just that theres an imputation of revenues by mode/operator offered in Helsinki and (sort of) Berlin but not in Paris. For someone who has no previous convictions, it is, of course, a great shock to be facing a court appearance. But most of our metro stations are not even staffed, so fare gates would be a huge cost for limited advantage. Andy Byford, New York Citys transit president, has maintained that fares are crucial in improving rider experience. What happens if I just ignore the Notice? What would you like to know ? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/19/southern-rail-failure-crush-unions Punishing drivers for occasional trips relative frequent transit riders also seems like a both inefficient, and politically flawed way, of encouraging switching to transit. I read that even Japan (an extreme case obviously) wants to blame Chinese immigrants for a rise in crime (linked to criminal syndicates, they claim) which may or may not be true but reveals the cultural attitude behind the phenomenon. Its a godsend. I was quickly directed to Mr Black who successfully plead my case and saved my professional carer! New York would transition to a large discount through holding the monthly fare constant and hiking the single-ride fare I get why that is, but you really want to go somewhat lower than 45 on these grounds. More recently, it trialed a new turnstile design that would hit passengers in the face, but thankfully scrapped it after public outcry. They might have a different scheme to purely private employers. about improving efficiency etc that has been utterly discredited. What you want in terms of Get cars out of the city is a system where riders dont have to do math or stuff to consider whether they should take transit, As soon as you force them to calculate whether its worth it, theyll consider cars. The lack of S-bahn style operation patterns in the non-megacity regions is a failure of government and private-sector since no-ones pushing it. I would recommend them to anyone facing a similar situation. Furthermore, their consultation fees, in comparison to several others was also the most honest Id come across. in Niigata with Tanaka using both to molify Tsubame-Sanjo divisions. Heavy policing, with militarised civil police carrying M16s, has so reduced the criminality and incarceration rate in the US! Ive had fare inspection before on a 1 am commuter train out of Paddington before. If in fact the Navigo card works like the old Carte Orange? eg. This setup works at palatial East Asian stations, but a cheap cut-and-cover Continental European station gets overwhelmed when a million Parisians all descend on a handful of stations to celebrate. It caused continuous scale back of services but all see it as a natural result of motorization and expansion of highway into rural area, in addition to aging and reducing population in rural area, although even the Japanese COmmunist Party is support of the union against privatization failed to imagine the scale of effect its causing right now in their PR material at the time. the. Efficiency is usually both environmental and fair. For commutes, especially the suburban crowd, transit is essentially free as to user, as its paid for by the employer, and the income is untaxed by the government. Inspectors who cant make a citation without using physical violence should not work as inspectors. In a world trying to coax car drivers out of their cars, or to use them less, youve got to make the system frictionless and fair, or more than fair. R.H August (2018), I would definitely recommend BSB Solicitors. I can only think you are British because this is the kind of logic by which they run their transit. But yeah, the moralistic response on the left of treating fare evasion as something good (esp. Fare is split between the different agencies. Makes the second point much less important, even to those minorities (those minorities are much less likely to be subject to this treatment in France versus the US). ts not about maximising milk, its about minimising potential moo., And thats ALSO why youll see TfL/National Rail come down HEAVILY in the courts on anyone with real money who evades (e.g. We should be moving toward ALL in-city transportation should being pre-paid annual passes. A postal requisition will display the date for a court hearing. Development London, Guidance in providing supporting documents. > However, again one should compare the compact arrangement of Ile de France versus what happens with Japan & Tokyos laissez-faire development policies. https://pedestrianobservations.com/2019/10/24/numerology-in-transportation/#comment-67419. Monthly passes indeed encourage transit use, but thats not wasteful.